F- President Trump has held out in insisting that they were eavesdropping on him in Trump Tower and during the campaign. It seemed for a couple of weeks as though he was a lone voice, and then a variety of people jumped in and said, “Oh, guess what? This is really true,” and one of those voices was yours.
B-feed data to him through people who know him and know that this is going on. It’s no surprise and I think he very well knows what is happening. !We were part of the network trying to inform him of the realities of life in Washington – the District of Corruption
F-Yes, and they weren’t even subtle about it. Do you know what I mean? It was like a ‘in your face’ police state. That is the only way that I can describe it, but I became convinced that there was an integration of data cross-government that was being used by a variety of different industries – whether it was to sell consumer products or to manipulate the financial markets. I’m wondering if Trail Blazer was not just NSA empire-building but literally a coup d’état. !
B- The NSA and the Federal government in general have been outsourcing to a private industry the business of government. The NSA, for example, outsourced all of the infrastructure – all the computer support, all the computer acquisition, and all of the database and database management systems. That’s why Edward Snowden was working for Booz Allen as a contractor. He could get into all those databases and take that data. That also goes for all the other contractors working for them, which are the same kind of companies. They have fragments working for NSA, CIA, FBI, and so on. All these companies have tentacles into all these agencies, and they’re managing a lot of that data for them. They basically have all the power behind the scenes. !Now, each of these companies is not restricted to only intelligence; they have other divisions that work in other areas. !If one of their divisions is having a contract dispute or wants to make a bid on a contract, that gives them the ability to look into everyone in the world bidding on that contract and see where they could leverage it. So industrial espionage is one of the main problems. !I objected to this when the NSA, under Hayden, started doing this. He was the guy who came in and advocated all this nonsense and, of course, so is Congress. They were advocating some of this, too. They were all making a big mistake, and now we’re paying for it. That is really what is happening here. This gives them the capacity to do espionage on a world-wide scale.
F- When Enron first hit, I was doing a series of radio shows on Enron. One thing that had happened was the Department of Justice had failed to assert jurisdiction over many of the Enron documents. What was interesting was that the chairman of the Finance Committee on the board of Enron was the chairman of an IT provider who provided significant services to DOJ and SEC enforcement.
F- One of the interesting ideas that I saw in A Good American is that all of this could be returned to the civil service for a much more economic result – both a more productive result and an economic result.
B- Even the financial officers that were in NSA told me personally – one after the other – that it was impossible to audit NSA because of the shell game that they play with money once they got inside NSA.
F- There was one interview, and I think it was the one that you did with Kirk Wiebe, where you described the extraordinary accounting practices and financial practices at the NSA. It’s going to be one of the links we’re putting up. !One thing that has happened that I think is the most disturbing is something called ‘targeted individuals’. We’ve tried over the last ten years to put more and more up on the website about that.
S-: Over the years Kirk and I have been approached by various people saying that they are being targeted. There is such a groundswell of people who were saying these kinds of things, so we felt we had to organize to show in some disciplined, scientific way what is possible and what is occurring, and then provide some way of being able to prove that it is happening.. to assemble the different kinds of attributes or incidents that people were sensing that were happening to them, and then categorize those. Also, to assemble information that is being published publicly that is available through open source on governmental or military development of tools that are electromagnetic that control populations in terms of perhaps riot control and similar things. That meant that once you could define it – if your symptoms mapped to a certain set of knowledge that we knew they were testing – then we would, hopefully, be able to show the spectrum they were operating in and then say, “These devices will detect that.” You could then use that and detect them and take them to a court of law
That program is, “Get me money and I’ll be happy.” Unfortunately the problem with that is that we have to pay for that as taxpayers, and occasionally some of us have to die to keep it going. : It’s a leach, that’s for sure.
F- There have been reports recently in the media that a portion of the Republican lawmakers are seriously considering not reauthorizing NSA’s full authority on reauthorizations coming up. Can you tell us anything about that.
B- Rand Paul and various other senators have been saying that they have been spied on. I’m here to tell them that they’ve all been spied on and there is nothing new here. these people are starting to wake up somewhere along the line, and they are beginning to realize how much leverage the intelligence community has on the members of Congress. They are all fundamentally under the thumb of the intelligence community, which I now call the Praetorian Guard. They are in charge, and they are the ones who are going to leverage everything. !They use the same tactics as the KGB. If they don’t have something on you that they can leverage to get you to do what they want you to do, then they will find somebody you care about and find something on them, and then leverage them against you. “You know, we are in a post-fascist state and know it, and you are in a pre-fascist state and don’t know it.”!It gets back to the concept that if you’re not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to fear. It’s a great quote, and I have three things to say about that. First, it’s a great quote from Joseph Goebbels. Second, what you think is totally irrelevant. What you think is irrelevant; it doesn’t matter. It matters only what the state thinks. Third, Goethe captured it very well a few hundred years ago.
He said, “No one is more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free
F- One of the reasons I insisted that we go to court when I litigated with the Department of Justice is they kept making things up and throwing it at me and it was all fabricated. !I forced them to go to court because they had to put evidence behind the allegations, and they couldn’t. They cancelled the trial several times on the eve of trial; they loved to run up my expenses that way. He didn’t realize it, but he was describing the governance system in this country as basically the CIA or the intelligence community indicating that the President of the United States, and the Congress have to do what the intelligence agencies want. ; the intelligence agencies are in control, and that is a real governance issue.
B- That’s right. Schumer didn’t actually understand what he was saying. It’s much the same as the Director of the FBI, Mueller, who used to be one of my better sources of information because he didn’t know what he was saying either. !An example of this is when he went before the Senate Judiciary Committee to testify on March 30, 2011. He said that he met with the Department of Defense, and they created a technology database that he could get into (‘he’ being the FBI), and, with one query, retrieve all past emails and all future ones on anybody as they came in. Well, that compromised the entire collection system of NSA because he said they had all our emails. That was an outright compromise of the Stellar Wind program, which is what Comey had objected during the hospital visit in 2004. But they never fixed that and Comey agreed to something that wasn’t a fix. in fact behind the scenes under Executive Order 12333, they were collecting everything on everybody. !Even Representative Gowdy is under the impression that this is not happening
B- that the OPM got hacked and the various other people were hacked. Every time they were hacked, they would say, “Cyber security is really important. We need more money for cyber security,” but they never fixed the problems that they knew about. So this is what I call a basic swindle. Then maybe we’ll have some security. But in the meantime, stop asking for more money because you’re not giving anybody security. we are also seeing is a complete lack of integrity and security in digital systems. How is this supposed to work? How are we supposed to run everything through the internet when there are this many examples of lack of integrity? I’ve never been able to understand how this is supposed to work. !William E. Binney: It’s supposed to work in a sense that they get all the information and we get the shaft. That’s been entire point. The internet of things is very dangerous now because what that means is they now have the capacity to see a lot more into our lives and what we’re doing. That’s a very dangerous thing to do. !I would say that if you have a device that is connected to the internet, disconnect it. Make sure that you get it disconnected. If you don’t, it’s another spying mechanism on what you’re doing. : If you’re going to go on the web, it depends on who you want to protect yourself from. There are various levels of protection. If you’re interested in protecting yourself against NSA, GCHQ, and the Five Eyes; if they want you, they’re going to get you.
I always advocate inventing your own encryption system
When the Snowden material started appearing with the PRISM program and things like that, where you had companies that were participating in sharing data with the NSA, which was a direct violation of the constitutional rights of any number of countries around the world. I thought when that happened that was going to be a grand opportunity for other companies – in Europe especially – to begin to develop their own equivalency of Facebook and their own systems locally in the European Union and in the countries. now we are supporting the EU movement to mandate targeted collection of data and make bulk acquisition of data illegal in the European Union. The best thing to do, from my perspective, is to bitch and moan and gripe and groan to your local representatives and senators. The squeaky wheel gets the oil. I believe in being the squeaky wheel.
F- Are there any particular Congress people who are very strong on this issue and are providing leadership that we can support? !William E. Binney: Bernie Sanders, of course, seems to be very strong on it, as is Rand Paul and Ted Cruz. I believe President Trump. He has obviously demonstrated tremendous courage on this issue. He has clearly communicated – whether it was what happened during the campaign or the leaking since he’s been the President – and completely understands how destructive this is. It goes to the heart of a key governance question which is: Are our duly elected and authorized representatives the ones in charge, or are people who can fiddle with the communication systems and leak in charge?
F-is there anything else you would like to communicate to our subscribers? Is there anything we should have covered that we didn’t?
B- No. I just think that if you have the opportunity, sue the bastards! Get them into court. That’s the way to do it.